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Colin Campbell
10-03-2005, 19.42.57
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>blatantly.

And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
Italians own story?

1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
handing her off the Italian embassy.
3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that they were
not expecting the puddle?)
4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
apparently none with the Italian forces either.





>


--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Paolo Pizzi
10-03-2005, 20.59.51
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>blatantly.
>
> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.

No, they did not.

> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
> Italians own story?
>
> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.

Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
> handing her off the Italian embassy.

Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
> they were not expecting the puddle?)

Totally irrelevant.

> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')

Totally untrue.

> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.

Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
relevance.

> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
> apparently none with the Italian forces either.

Total bullshit.

In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

John Teague
10-03-2005, 21.24.07
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:HO0Yd.16090$Pz7.1843@newssvr13.news.prodigy.c om:

> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)>
> wrote in message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
> No, they did not.
>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
> Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
> Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
> Totally irrelevant.
>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
> Totally untrue.
>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
> Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
> relevance.
>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
> and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
> a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

And you apparently jumped on board the anti-US position from the first
report, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of being disengenous --
the height of hypocrisy. You get the big '0' on the credibility meter. Do
everyone a favor and tell your story walking.

--
John Teague, SMSgt, USAF ret.
Remove 'nospam' from email address

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 02.00.51
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:51 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:0d1131tlogcugfi7a9bi8thnpum4mbn45e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:41:29 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
>> <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My amateurs? There's only two possibilities here: either the
>>>US soldiers ****** up or they deliberately tried to kill Sgrena.
>>>In any other case, the US military wouldn't have to lie that
>>>blatantly.
>>
>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>
>No, they did not.

Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
beforehand.)

Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
the airport? (The most dangerous phase of an operation is the late
extraction phase because people slack off before they actually enter
the safe area.)

Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
embassy?

Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander that an
operation was occurring in his sector?

Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
politician as a covert operative?


All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'



>
>> Didn't you notice the warning signs of a sloppy operation from the
>> Italians own story?
>>
>> 1) The Italians were not sure what kind of vehicle it was.
>
>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...

The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
they had no idea what was going on.


>
>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>
>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.

He still was personally taking her to the airport. Which (IMO) was an
amateurish grandstanding stunt.

>
>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>
>Totally irrelevant.

Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
professionalism.

>
>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>
>Totally untrue.

Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

>
>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>
>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>relevance.

Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
captured or killed.


>
>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>
>Total bullshit.

Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he knew
about the operation?

>
>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.

Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

What are yours from?



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 03.32.17
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...

>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>
>>No, they did not.
>
> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
> beforehand.)

And the evidence of the above is?

> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
> the airport?

Ditto.

> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
> embassy?

Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
accordingly... Pathetic.

> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
> that an operation was occurring in his sector?

And the evidence for this claim is?

> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
> politician as a covert operative?

Who told you that?

> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'

Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
enough to believe them.

>>Actually YOU are not sure what kind of vehicle it was...
>
> The Italian government gave two vehicle descriptions. Sounds like
> they had no idea what was going on.

Again, show me your evidence.

>>> 2) The Italian agent drove her to the airport himself instead of
>>> handing her off the Italian embassy.
>>
>>Wrong again, the driver was Iraqi.
>
> He still was personally taking her to the airport.

Sorry, but you can't get off the hook this easily. I have PROVEN
that you make up stories and then you believe them as they were
factual truths...

>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>
>>Totally irrelevant.
>
> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
> professionalism.

Once again, where is your evidence?

>>> 4) Laughing and joking during the extraction phase. (As pilots say
>>> 'the mission is not over until you are in the O-club having a beer.')
>>
>>Totally untrue.
>
> Are you calling what's-her-name the reporter a liar?

No, I'm calling YOU a liar, or maybe the right-wing newspapers/websites
you read with ridiculously false translations.

>>> 5) Apparently the Italian agent was a relative of a political figure.
>>
>>Again, total BS. And even if it were true, I wouldn't see the
>>relevance.
>
> Covert intelligence agents are supposed to be people that nobody ever
> heard of - and no connections to political figures in case they get
> captured or killed.

First of all, show me evidence he was a relative of a political
figure. Sounds like you believe all the BS you hear from
right wing extremists...

>>> 6) No coordination had been made with allied forces - and worse,
>>> apparently none with the Italian forces either.
>>
>>Total bullshit.
>
> Really? Can you name one Coalition Forces commander who says he
> knew about the operation?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Italian goverment claims there was FULL COOPERATION.
The US government claims otherwise. Obviously anyone in the US
Army who disagrees with that has been told to shut up or face the
consequences. It's a case of he said/he said, but obviously someone
like you believes that US version just because you're a nationalistic
idiot.

>>In conclusion: you know absolutely NOTHING about what happened
>>and you're repeating the bullshit published on the Washington Times,
>>a newspaper owned by a deranged lunatic who thinks he's God.
>
> Actually, my sources are from the Italian news media.

Really? Can you read Italian?
Vediamo, vediamo se sei capace di leggere una singola parola in
italiano...

> What are yours from?

The TRUE Italian news media, not the phony translations made
available through right-wing newspapers and websites.

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Willie T. Soke
11-03-2005, 04.55.47
"Paolo Pizzi" <paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:By6Yd.7903$C47.1293@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote
> in message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
> And the evidence of the above is?

HER OWN ARTICLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Colin Campbell
11-03-2005, 06.22.23
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:32:17 GMT, "Paolo Pizzi"
<paolopizziDONOTSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
>message news:31n131dq81hms8499v83b76401hoo00bcd@4ax.com...
>
>>>> And - of course - the Italians did not screw up the extraction.
>>>
>>>No, they did not.
>>
>> Then can you explain why they almost lost control of the car as they
>> drove through a puddle of water? (Excessive speed and no route recon
>> beforehand.)
>
>And the evidence of the above is?

Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
her of lying?

>
>> Can you explain why they were laughing and joking during the drive to
>> the airport?
>
>Ditto.

Again, from the Italian reporter. Have you been following this story
at all?


>
>> Can you explain why they drove her to the airport themselves (using an
>> Iraqi driver) instead of turning her over to the Italian troops at the
>> embassy?
>
>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>accordingly... Pathetic.

Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
me.

>
>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>
>And the evidence for this claim is?

The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
aware of the operation. Again, something you would be aware of if you
had been following the story.

>
>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>> politician as a covert operative?
>
>Who told you that?

Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

>
>> All of these issues scream: 'amateur!'
>
>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>enough to believe them.

Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.


>>>> 3) The route the airport had not been rehearsed (notice that
>>>> they were not expecting the puddle?)
>>>
>>>Totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>> professionalism.
>
>Once again, where is your evidence?

The unexpected puddle is the evidence.


So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.48.27
"Willie T. Soke" <ireallydo@hateusenetspam.com> wrote in message
news:113225a42u4pe6b@corp.supernews.com...

> HER OWN ARTICLE.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/06/il.manifesto/
> "The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
> almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
> liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
> and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
> really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Like I said, (deliberately) wrong translation.
"Sorridere" in Italian means "to smile" (possibly to smirk)
but certainly not to laugh. Same thing with the "losing
control" bit, nowhere in the original Italian Sgrena
talks about "losing control", she talks about the ride
being bumpy, that's it. Don't tell me you would have
checked the road puddle by puddle, or maybe do it
and make the whole NG laugh at you.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.55.32
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:lr6231170o2igq7uujp1p0854r713irtgt@4ax.com...

> Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
> her of lying?

No, I accuse the American corporate media of deliberately mis-translating
her words.

>>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>>accordingly... Pathetic.
>
> Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
> me.

It was some other right-wing nut, like you guys are any different
one from another...

>>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>>
>>And the evidence for this claim is?
>
> The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
> aware of the operation.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Did you really expect any US Army officer to contraddict the official
government version? You are *really* stupid, aren't you?

> Again, something you would be aware of if you
> had been following the story.

Actually you would be aware that the Italian official version is
that the US command was fully alerted. Tell me why we should
believe that US version by default. Just because you are a
xenophobe?

>>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>>> politician as a covert operative?
>>
>>Who told you that?
>
> Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

Nope, you CAN'T read Italian. All you know is through
translations from the US corporate media.

>>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>>enough to believe them.
>
> Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
> my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.

Really? Let me guess, you speak ZERO foreign languages,
right? It's typical of arrogant right-wing nuts like you to read
what the extreme right-wing says and take everything at
face value.

>>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>>> professionalism.
>>
>>Once again, where is your evidence?
>
> The unexpected puddle is the evidence.

You're ridiculous, nobody would check that road puddle by puddle,
you're just looking for ludicrous pretexts to give vent to your
xenophobia and accuse the Italians of being dumb idiots who
can't do their job.

> So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
> have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
> is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
> ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.

Quando impari a leggere in italiano ripassa, ************.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.55.32
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:lr6231170o2igq7uujp1p0854r713irtgt@4ax.com...

> Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
> her of lying?

No, I accuse the American corporate media of deliberately mis-translating
her words.

>>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>>accordingly... Pathetic.
>
> Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
> me.

It was some other right-wing nut, like you guys are any different
one from another...

>>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>>
>>And the evidence for this claim is?
>
> The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
> aware of the operation.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Did you really expect any US Army officer to contraddict the official
government version? You are *really* stupid, aren't you?

> Again, something you would be aware of if you
> had been following the story.

Actually you would be aware that the Italian official version is
that the US command was fully alerted. Tell me why we should
believe that US version by default. Just because you are a
xenophobe?

>>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>>> politician as a covert operative?
>>
>>Who told you that?
>
> Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

Nope, you CAN'T read Italian. All you know is through
translations from the US corporate media.

>>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>>enough to believe them.
>
> Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
> my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.

Really? Let me guess, you speak ZERO foreign languages,
right? It's typical of arrogant right-wing nuts like you to read
what the extreme right-wing says and take everything at
face value.

>>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>>> professionalism.
>>
>>Once again, where is your evidence?
>
> The unexpected puddle is the evidence.

You're ridiculous, nobody would check that road puddle by puddle,
you're just looking for ludicrous pretexts to give vent to your
xenophobia and accuse the Italians of being dumb idiots who
can't do their job.

> So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
> have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
> is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
> ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.

Quando impari a leggere in italiano ripassa, ************.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.55.32
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:lr6231170o2igq7uujp1p0854r713irtgt@4ax.com...

> Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
> her of lying?

No, I accuse the American corporate media of deliberately mis-translating
her words.

>>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>>accordingly... Pathetic.
>
> Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
> me.

It was some other right-wing nut, like you guys are any different
one from another...

>>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>>
>>And the evidence for this claim is?
>
> The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
> aware of the operation.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Did you really expect any US Army officer to contraddict the official
government version? You are *really* stupid, aren't you?

> Again, something you would be aware of if you
> had been following the story.

Actually you would be aware that the Italian official version is
that the US command was fully alerted. Tell me why we should
believe that US version by default. Just because you are a
xenophobe?

>>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>>> politician as a covert operative?
>>
>>Who told you that?
>
> Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

Nope, you CAN'T read Italian. All you know is through
translations from the US corporate media.

>>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>>enough to believe them.
>
> Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
> my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.

Really? Let me guess, you speak ZERO foreign languages,
right? It's typical of arrogant right-wing nuts like you to read
what the extreme right-wing says and take everything at
face value.

>>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>>> professionalism.
>>
>>Once again, where is your evidence?
>
> The unexpected puddle is the evidence.

You're ridiculous, nobody would check that road puddle by puddle,
you're just looking for ludicrous pretexts to give vent to your
xenophobia and accuse the Italians of being dumb idiots who
can't do their job.

> So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
> have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
> is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
> ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.

Quando impari a leggere in italiano ripassa, ************.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.55.32
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:lr6231170o2igq7uujp1p0854r713irtgt@4ax.com...

> Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
> her of lying?

No, I accuse the American corporate media of deliberately mis-translating
her words.

>>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>>accordingly... Pathetic.
>
> Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
> me.

It was some other right-wing nut, like you guys are any different
one from another...

>>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>>
>>And the evidence for this claim is?
>
> The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
> aware of the operation.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Did you really expect any US Army officer to contraddict the official
government version? You are *really* stupid, aren't you?

> Again, something you would be aware of if you
> had been following the story.

Actually you would be aware that the Italian official version is
that the US command was fully alerted. Tell me why we should
believe that US version by default. Just because you are a
xenophobe?

>>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>>> politician as a covert operative?
>>
>>Who told you that?
>
> Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

Nope, you CAN'T read Italian. All you know is through
translations from the US corporate media.

>>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>>enough to believe them.
>
> Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
> my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.

Really? Let me guess, you speak ZERO foreign languages,
right? It's typical of arrogant right-wing nuts like you to read
what the extreme right-wing says and take everything at
face value.

>>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>>> professionalism.
>>
>>Once again, where is your evidence?
>
> The unexpected puddle is the evidence.

You're ridiculous, nobody would check that road puddle by puddle,
you're just looking for ludicrous pretexts to give vent to your
xenophobia and accuse the Italians of being dumb idiots who
can't do their job.

> So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
> have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
> is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
> ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.

Quando impari a leggere in italiano ripassa, ************.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.55.32
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:lr6231170o2igq7uujp1p0854r713irtgt@4ax.com...

> Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
> her of lying?

No, I accuse the American corporate media of deliberately mis-translating
her words.

>>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>>accordingly... Pathetic.
>
> Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
> me.

It was some other right-wing nut, like you guys are any different
one from another...

>>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>>
>>And the evidence for this claim is?
>
> The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
> aware of the operation.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Did you really expect any US Army officer to contraddict the official
government version? You are *really* stupid, aren't you?

> Again, something you would be aware of if you
> had been following the story.

Actually you would be aware that the Italian official version is
that the US command was fully alerted. Tell me why we should
believe that US version by default. Just because you are a
xenophobe?

>>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>>> politician as a covert operative?
>>
>>Who told you that?
>
> Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

Nope, you CAN'T read Italian. All you know is through
translations from the US corporate media.

>>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>>enough to believe them.
>
> Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
> my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.

Really? Let me guess, you speak ZERO foreign languages,
right? It's typical of arrogant right-wing nuts like you to read
what the extreme right-wing says and take everything at
face value.

>>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>>> professionalism.
>>
>>Once again, where is your evidence?
>
> The unexpected puddle is the evidence.

You're ridiculous, nobody would check that road puddle by puddle,
you're just looking for ludicrous pretexts to give vent to your
xenophobia and accuse the Italians of being dumb idiots who
can't do their job.

> So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
> have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
> is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
> ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.

Quando impari a leggere in italiano ripassa, ************.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.55.32
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:lr6231170o2igq7uujp1p0854r713irtgt@4ax.com...

> Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
> her of lying?

No, I accuse the American corporate media of deliberately mis-translating
her words.

>>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>>accordingly... Pathetic.
>
> Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
> me.

It was some other right-wing nut, like you guys are any different
one from another...

>>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>>
>>And the evidence for this claim is?
>
> The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
> aware of the operation.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Did you really expect any US Army officer to contraddict the official
government version? You are *really* stupid, aren't you?

> Again, something you would be aware of if you
> had been following the story.

Actually you would be aware that the Italian official version is
that the US command was fully alerted. Tell me why we should
believe that US version by default. Just because you are a
xenophobe?

>>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>>> politician as a covert operative?
>>
>>Who told you that?
>
> Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

Nope, you CAN'T read Italian. All you know is through
translations from the US corporate media.

>>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>>enough to believe them.
>
> Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
> my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.

Really? Let me guess, you speak ZERO foreign languages,
right? It's typical of arrogant right-wing nuts like you to read
what the extreme right-wing says and take everything at
face value.

>>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>>> professionalism.
>>
>>Once again, where is your evidence?
>
> The unexpected puddle is the evidence.

You're ridiculous, nobody would check that road puddle by puddle,
you're just looking for ludicrous pretexts to give vent to your
xenophobia and accuse the Italians of being dumb idiots who
can't do their job.

> So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
> have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
> is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
> ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.

Quando impari a leggere in italiano ripassa, ************.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.55.32
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:lr6231170o2igq7uujp1p0854r713irtgt@4ax.com...

> Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
> her of lying?

No, I accuse the American corporate media of deliberately mis-translating
her words.

>>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>>accordingly... Pathetic.
>
> Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
> me.

It was some other right-wing nut, like you guys are any different
one from another...

>>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>>
>>And the evidence for this claim is?
>
> The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
> aware of the operation.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Did you really expect any US Army officer to contraddict the official
government version? You are *really* stupid, aren't you?

> Again, something you would be aware of if you
> had been following the story.

Actually you would be aware that the Italian official version is
that the US command was fully alerted. Tell me why we should
believe that US version by default. Just because you are a
xenophobe?

>>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>>> politician as a covert operative?
>>
>>Who told you that?
>
> Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

Nope, you CAN'T read Italian. All you know is through
translations from the US corporate media.

>>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>>enough to believe them.
>
> Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
> my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.

Really? Let me guess, you speak ZERO foreign languages,
right? It's typical of arrogant right-wing nuts like you to read
what the extreme right-wing says and take everything at
face value.

>>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>>> professionalism.
>>
>>Once again, where is your evidence?
>
> The unexpected puddle is the evidence.

You're ridiculous, nobody would check that road puddle by puddle,
you're just looking for ludicrous pretexts to give vent to your
xenophobia and accuse the Italians of being dumb idiots who
can't do their job.

> So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
> have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
> is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
> ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.

Quando impari a leggere in italiano ripassa, ************.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.55.32
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:lr6231170o2igq7uujp1p0854r713irtgt@4ax.com...

> Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
> her of lying?

No, I accuse the American corporate media of deliberately mis-translating
her words.

>>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>>accordingly... Pathetic.
>
> Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
> me.

It was some other right-wing nut, like you guys are any different
one from another...

>>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>>
>>And the evidence for this claim is?
>
> The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
> aware of the operation.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Did you really expect any US Army officer to contraddict the official
government version? You are *really* stupid, aren't you?

> Again, something you would be aware of if you
> had been following the story.

Actually you would be aware that the Italian official version is
that the US command was fully alerted. Tell me why we should
believe that US version by default. Just because you are a
xenophobe?

>>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>>> politician as a covert operative?
>>
>>Who told you that?
>
> Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

Nope, you CAN'T read Italian. All you know is through
translations from the US corporate media.

>>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>>enough to believe them.
>
> Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
> my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.

Really? Let me guess, you speak ZERO foreign languages,
right? It's typical of arrogant right-wing nuts like you to read
what the extreme right-wing says and take everything at
face value.

>>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>>> professionalism.
>>
>>Once again, where is your evidence?
>
> The unexpected puddle is the evidence.

You're ridiculous, nobody would check that road puddle by puddle,
you're just looking for ludicrous pretexts to give vent to your
xenophobia and accuse the Italians of being dumb idiots who
can't do their job.

> So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
> have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
> is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
> ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.

Quando impari a leggere in italiano ripassa, ************.

Paolo Pizzi
11-03-2005, 06.55.32
"Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:lr6231170o2igq7uujp1p0854r713irtgt@4ax.com...

> Again, the words from this very Italian reporter. Or are you accusing
> her of lying?

No, I accuse the American corporate media of deliberately mis-translating
her words.

>>Can you explain why until yesterday you right-wing idiots claimed
>>it MUST have been the driver's fault because, we all know, Italians
>>are reckless drivers? Now that you finally admit you completely
>>blew it and that the driver was Iraqi, you're changing the story
>>accordingly... Pathetic.
>
> Who said anything about the Italians being reckless drivers? Wasn't
> me.

It was some other right-wing nut, like you guys are any different
one from another...

>>> Can you explain why they failed to notify the local commander
>>> that an operation was occurring in his sector?
>>
>>And the evidence for this claim is?
>
> The fact that in interviews the commander reported that the were not
> aware of the operation.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Did you really expect any US Army officer to contraddict the official
government version? You are *really* stupid, aren't you?

> Again, something you would be aware of if you
> had been following the story.

Actually you would be aware that the Italian official version is
that the US command was fully alerted. Tell me why we should
believe that US version by default. Just because you are a
xenophobe?

>>> Can you explain why they even selected a relative of a national
>>> politician as a covert operative?
>>
>>Who told you that?
>
> Came from the Italian news media. Or are they liars?

Nope, you CAN'T read Italian. All you know is through
translations from the US corporate media.

>>Sure, first you make up a bunch of stories, then you're stupid
>>enough to believe them.
>
> Or, alternatively - I actually read all the news articles and applied
> my experience working in brigade headquarters in Iraq.

Really? Let me guess, you speak ZERO foreign languages,
right? It's typical of arrogant right-wing nuts like you to read
what the extreme right-wing says and take everything at
face value.

>>> Very relevant. I spent a year in Iraq working in operations and we
>>> always made a recon of our ingress and egress routes. This is simple
>>> professionalism.
>>
>>Once again, where is your evidence?
>
> The unexpected puddle is the evidence.

You're ridiculous, nobody would check that road puddle by puddle,
you're just looking for ludicrous pretexts to give vent to your
xenophobia and accuse the Italians of being dumb idiots who
can't do their job.

> So far you are basing your opinions on the fact that you apparently
> have not been following the story and have missed the details. This
> is your fault - not mine. And arguing from such a position of
> ignorance only demonstrates that you are - ignorant.

Quando impari a leggere in italiano ripassa, ************.